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to tell us about the job of a White

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House stenographer

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well you know I started uh there in

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2002. I was

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um working for a contracting company

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they had a contract with the white house

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it was a stenographer with the Press

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office and

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um so I worked in the Bush

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Administration 2002 to 2007 I left for a

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little while 2007 to 2010 I did some

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Communications work for like a a group

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that put on the Richmond marathon and

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then I that that job fell through in a

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downturn so I came back to the White

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House 2010 and worked uh again as a

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sonographer for the Press office

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contractor

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till about

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um 2014 we became federalized and then

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we became federal employees and after

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the 2016 election I stayed on for one

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year and worked for president Trump you

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know it didn't end well for me in 2017.

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there was you know the whole cancel

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culture thing really caught up to me and

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that's when I wrote my first book about

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but

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um what I wrote in Joe Biden

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unauthorized is basically the Viewpoint

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of someone who was at the in between the

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gap between what the Press talks about

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and what really happened you know I was

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there in Ukraine with Joe Biden I was

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there in Poland with Joe Biden well yeah

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take us through the a day in the life of

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a stenographer so if you're in DC are

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you going to the White House every

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single day yes so we had a we had our

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office in the old exact in the

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Eisenhower executive office building we

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were on that's next door to the White

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House right next door is that where the

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vice president's office is yeah his

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office is on the second floor uh in the

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bush years we had an office on the first

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floor and then later we're moved to the

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fifth floor sort of way off in the upper

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alcoves and is that is that building

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connect to the White House through like

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an underground tunnel or something not

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that I know of okay uh we always walked

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across West exec Boulevard uh to just so

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every day as long as you're in DC you're

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reporting for work right at that at the

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uh sorry what is that building called uh

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Eisenhower executive Eisenhower

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executive building

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um five five days a week and then tell

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us about a typical day so typical day

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show up in the morning

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um with the Obama White House it would

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um for me I covered Joe Biden primarily

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during that time 2011 to 2016. Joe liked

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to talk a lot he liked to work a lot so

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it was a pretty heavy workload for me

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people actually covered him does that

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mean you're supposed to go everywhere

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that he goes

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well that's what that was the general

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idea except because he's the vice

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president he doesn't get as much press

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attention so I would be in the office

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receiving Transmissions of speeches he

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did in anywhere he was in the country so

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if he was in a national location so

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campaigning in Ohio or something there

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was a the White House communications

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agency would put together a transmission

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for me that came specifically for my

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purposes to make an immediate transcript

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and they wanted to transcript done

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immediately so the the day in the White

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House to start was really we'd look at

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the schedule see what Joe was doing

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maybe he'd have an interview in his

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office with a magazine writer I would go

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into the office give them a recorder

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they would record it without me in there

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and then give the recorder to me later

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to use to make the transcript if there

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was a TV interview with him I would go

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into that room plug my uh TV my recorder

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into their TV feed make that recording

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and then go and make sure there was a

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transcript some of those transcripts

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were released publicly but a lot of them

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weren't you know like TV say they were

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released uh they were called on the

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background closed press because the TV

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uh group didn't want the transcript out

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there ahead of their publication so you

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know they were the rule of thumb was any

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communication that was Public

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Communication would get recorded So if

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it was a speech if it was an interview

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um or a press conference

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and then what about something in between

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where it's just you know some kids come

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to the White House and he's going to

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meet with kids at the White House is

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that something that would get recorded

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or not uh not for Joe Biden usually not

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um you know we did that with uh the

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first lady she did a lot of kids events

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uh the president would do these after

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dinner receptions Joe Biden did a lot of

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after dinner receptions I stayed late

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for that a lot so it was a long day and

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you know working for Joe Joe would start

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a 15-minute conversation and turn into

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45 minutes but if he's meeting let's say

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with a world leader is that something

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that you guys would record or not not at

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all and never in on his phone

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conversations or his personal meetings

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so and and then when he went abroad he

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would have press along with him and if

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he had press along with him he needed my

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services there to make sure anything he

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said to the Press was recorded for the

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record

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and is there any uh confidentiality that

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you have to sign to be in this position

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I never signed a non-disclosure

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agreement and I was not um because I was

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at the edge of the press I never had a

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top secret clearance so I was never a

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top secret or you know confidential

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clearance everything I heard was You

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Know spoken to the public so I was sort

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of like at that same level as the press

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and and the bulk of your job then it

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sounds like is sitting in an office at a

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computer typing up transcripts of audio

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or video recordings right exactly yeah a

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lot of hours and

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therefore your direct interaction with

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these various men

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Biden in particular would be when you're

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there setting things up or taking things

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down before or after his interview right

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uh yeah in the room with him during the

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interview I kept you know we were

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trained don't talk to the principals you

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know we didn't go in there and say hey

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Mr they didn't know who I was they knew

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who I was by who I was working for they

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knew the Press officers that they hired

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that were you know the staff that were

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directing me to do my job that's you

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know President Obama President Bush uh

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president Trump knew what we were doing

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there we knew they were sort of on the

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team they didn't know our names and that

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was fine with me you know it was a low

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profile job go in do your job go home

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and you know with Joe Biden there was

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some international travel that was

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interesting and and fun so are you

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saying Joe never knew your name no he

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never knew my name

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would recognize the face though

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yeah on a trip sure he would knew you

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know sort of look at me and see yeah

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that I recognize that guy as far as I

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knew I you know we never had a

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conversation he I met him once in a uh

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receiving line at a for a photograph for

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a Christmas party and uh he really

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actually paid more attention to my wife

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than me so you know there's Joe well

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good thing you didn't have a daughter

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with you yeah right

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that's just a joke but there certainly

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people who've compiled videos of

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Biden acting in what many people think

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to be an unusual way with children

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um I mean while we're on that subject

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you haven't you have any comments about

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those you know people referring to him

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as creepy Joe in seeing the way that he

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is kind of uh touchy with with children

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or not just children but with adults too

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you know I talk about that in my book

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and you know I never heard anybody say

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uh anything

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none of the women who work for him and

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most of women most of people who worked

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as press office were women ever

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complained about anything like that I

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never heard any anybody and his staff

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say anything like that and frankly you

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know I think it was a bit it's it's the

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ugly side of politics I mean people

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attack each other

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you know their character unnecessarily

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it's gotten pretty out of hand in our

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thing but

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um I think what I talked about in the

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book was you know I think there was a an

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aspect to Joe and people really like the

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book because it's fair I mean I didn't

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really Hammer Joe Biden it's not a I

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want to hammer Joe Biden book it's a

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here's a guy who's running for president

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this is what you have to know about him

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I don't think he's going to be a good

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president I wouldn't I might I didn't

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vote for him I think Donald Trump is

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doing a great job vote for Trump but

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this is what you're going to see in this

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book by somebody who worked closely with

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him for six years traveled with him

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abroad and as I wrote to be fair because

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what I really want to do is set up the

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basis for your knowledge and opinion uh

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before we get into what that is so

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you're you're a Joe Biden expert

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primarily because you've had to digest

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every one of his press conferences his

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speeches right anything that had to be

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recorded you were right there the day of

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having to record it yourself so it comes

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from that it doesn't come necessarily

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from personal one-on-one direct

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interaction with them it comes from

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having to listen to everything the guy

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says everything he said every personal

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story I heard about is his aunt Gertrude

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who made the rice pudding all those

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things and it was over and over and over

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and it you know and there were some

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speeches that were really great I talked

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about those in the book and and there

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were some you know there was at

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gaffe episodes I mean you know and then

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sometimes you'd be you'd be recording

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the speech and you're probably thinking

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to yourself did he really just say that

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what what the heck am I am I am I

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transcribing this properly yeah no

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absolutely and you know sometimes it's

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pretty serious there were some really

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serious things and you know it was I

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mean and what is your explanation what

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you know having listened to him so much

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what do you think was going on in these

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Gaff situations

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you know he had

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he had this saying that he always said

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in the beginning of a speech no one ever

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doubts what I say the problem is or no

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one ever doubts I say what I mean the

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problem is I say all that I mean and all

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the you know audience was always laugh

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line but that's really kind of true

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because a lot of times he spills the

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beans just like he did not too long ago

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when he said we have the biggest voter

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fraud uh you know

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program in in American history any I

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don't I don't know if that was a gaffe

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that he went back inside I didn't really

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mean to say it or it was really the

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truth that he spilled out that's the

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thing with Joe Biden you have to sort of

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sift through all that he says as his

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sonographer I listened and listened and

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listened some of it was really pertinent

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a lot of it was just Joe Biden BS

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there's thousands of hours of Joe Biden

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BS that I've listened to in my life what

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what do you consider Joe Biden BS

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well when he says

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he would talk about the

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kind of when he would pull up his past

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the amazingness of his past I did this I

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some of his War Stories were were really

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kind of out there with the BS Factor he

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would talk about going to Afghanistan

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and being on the top of the mountain in

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a helicopter and being rescued by the

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troops and and there was a lot of

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um self

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aggrandizement around it that's what I

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call Geo Biden BS there's a lot of

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self-aggrandizement to what he says

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that's politics that's part of politics

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but for him in particular there was a

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lot more of it than I heard with Dick

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Cheney then certainly I heard with

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um Mike vice president Pence so you know

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there's there's that sort of Showman's

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kind of uh car salesman aspect to him

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did you catch him in a lot of

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contradictions where in one circumstance

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he said this is what happened and then

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another speech he says this is what

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um yeah and I couldn't tell you off the

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top of my head right now sitting with

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those contradictions are but I mean it

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was almost like no that's not what they

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said you know and and uh it would happen

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pretty regularly I mean you know just

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sort of I'm talking about talking about

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his own past

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no I know talking about policy

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contradictions no no sorry I don't mean

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policy I mean like if he's telling

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stories about growing up or stories

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about serving in this or that did you

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catch him in some

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fibs where he had you know one time said

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I graduated you know in the top 10 of my

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class and the next time he says I

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graduated in the top 50 of my class that

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kind of thing so he used to do this

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story and he did it repeatedly about

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going to this Camp Bond steel it was in

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um Bosnia and he taught had this Grand

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story about he'd got in his taxi cab

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driver and they were driving up and

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there was this big Camp being built up

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on the hill and the taxi driver looks up

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and says oh look America and he points

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into the construction project and Joe

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said they pulled up to some his story

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was always we pulled up to this uh group

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of American Service members that were

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there as sort of the checkpoint and I

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pointed to them and said no that's

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America well the racial makeup and the

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you know identity makeup of the

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checkpoint would change based on what

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who was in the audience sometimes there

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was a white Channel sometimes it's a

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black Colonel sometimes it was a

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Hispanic Sergeant all that would always

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change so there's a lot of ebb and flow

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to what Joe Biden really says right

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there's a lot of makeup about it

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[Music]

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um and and what what have you heard you

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know one of the controversies is where

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he finished in his school that he

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actually performed very poorly I've seen

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actual numbers where undergraduates he

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was you know bottom 10 and law school

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same way something like that

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he uh used to say I went to Delaware and

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I think he said I graduated with C so

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here's another Joe Biden story from

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Delaware he used to say in from uh

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College crowds I play college football

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that's not really true he said I went to

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University dollar and I played college

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football but he never ran on the field

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as a member of The Varsity Blue hands

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University of Delaware team he never

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wore the uniform and ran out of the

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field for a varsity game he practiced

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with him in the spring he was hurt he

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was about to start up with him he

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practiced with him he was kind of on the

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team practice team and then he decided

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he quit and that was it

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so he used to say I play college

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football which is true but there's a

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sliver of truth that's Joe Biden there's

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a sliver of truth to it but if you're in

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the audience you think he played college

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football I went to Delaware and he had

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to play college football he played

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college for for Delaware that's not true

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so let's see you asked about his college

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his college used to say my sister got

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honors I got C's or something like that

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but one time he said this and this I

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remember this specifically he said when

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he was in in uh law school at University

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of Syracuse

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um or Syracuse University he won the

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world

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moot Court championship and I was like

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Wow and that was he said that and I

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remember hearing it and I was like it

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was such an odd fact that it stuck in my

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mind I guarantee it's in the transcript

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I wrote that day but I'm pretty sure it

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never happened but you know I don't

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think the world moot Court Championship

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even exists right yeah after law school

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I remember moot Court I don't remember

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anything about a world championship yeah

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he had this bra you know it was one of

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those bragging points I did this I won

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the moot Court isn't there some

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controversy as to what college he

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attended or graduated from I thought

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somebody was uh touching them on that

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what what is that so that was just him

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being Joe he used to say it was uh

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Delaware State University's uh I think

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it's a historically black college and

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university I think it's an HBCU it's

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mostly a black college

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what he meant was he went to Delaware

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State and the faculty there as he was

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campaigning to be a senator was very

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welcoming and they gave him a lot of uh

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positive feedback and so he got his

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start there and that's what he said in a

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speech he said I got my start at

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Delaware State University and everybody

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thought it meant his Scholastic start

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but I think what he meant was his

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senatorial start gotcha and then what

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about some of the you know really

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serious stories for instance about his

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um

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wife his first wife being killed in a

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car crash with his daughter correct it

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was it was his wife and his daughter

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right yeah I mean that's yeah that was

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he does he tell that story in much

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detail and and is there ever any

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contradictory statements about that

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um

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all I put in my book was what he spoke

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of as a vice president

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looking back in his history there was a

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lot of

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um

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discussion that he would admit to having

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been very angry you know when I first

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got to the center I was so angry about

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it I'd walk around DC trying to look for

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somebody to punch

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later uh after the truck driver died

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Joe Biden came out and said that the

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truck driver had been drinking and

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that's and he ran the red light and

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killed his family and the family of the

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truck driver had to sue Joe Biden to

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stop it and finally he did stop it I

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didn't really talk about that in the

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book I said you know he kind of talked

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about this accident some of what he said

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was bad mostly what he said was good he

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talked about it a lot and he used that

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as a way to help people understand grief

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in their life so he did that a lot with

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he did a great speech for a gold star

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family uh organization

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how you're going to get past your grief

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and it really was and I talked about in

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my book too it really was one of his

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better speeches you know there's an

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aspect to Joe Biden where he is

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Joe Biden so he's got all these flaws

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but he also has a very strong

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um empathy for people and understanding

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and people are drawn to that so you know

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is that a good president in my book not

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so going back to the um the accident

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with his wife

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is it understood I mean who was at fault

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in the accident I I feel like I read

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something recently

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um I'm just going to say what I read

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because I don't know if it's true or not

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that perhaps it was her fault and or she

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was actually

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um under the influence

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oh I don't I've never heard that okay

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Joe's never said that I've only heard

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about the accident from him basically

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what he'd say was my wife and kids were

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out Christmas shopping they were

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shopping for a Christmas tree they came

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home and they got you know broadsided by

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a truck he said it was really hard for

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me to

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live with that tragedies and it was

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right after he'd been elected so he was

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in DC hiring staff he said I got the

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phone call the phone call no one wants

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to get pit in my stomach and so what is

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the what was the defamation then that

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the family of the truck driver was

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asserting

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so at the time uh it was just a terrible

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accident kids were both boys Beau and

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Hunter were in the hospital badly

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hospitalized he talked about how they

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had you know this sort of recovery he

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went back uh back and forth he commuted

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back and forth on Amtrak because of this

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accident his kids were his family was

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sort of enveloped as kids his sister

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took took them into her household so

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they sort of had this giant household

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and he'd go back and forth every day

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from uh Wilmington be with his kids he

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didn't want to be sworn into the Senate

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originally he kind of wanted a

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just sort of balk at the whole thing but

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the senior centers talked him into it

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they swore them in in the hospital they

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sent the secretary of the Senate up

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there swear him in in the hospital

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because he didn't want to leave his kids

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so they got him sworn in and then he

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started his Senate career and it grew

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and grew and then you know a few years

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later he married Jill every year the

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boys sorry about how old were the boys

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at the time of the accident

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uh I think

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I think it was four and two well I think

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it was four and two uh Beau was four and

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Hunter was

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no maybe it was six and five and four I

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think Hunter was right around four I

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can't remember I think Beau was a year

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or two old and then when does Jill come

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along

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so so every year on December 18th Joe

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would take the entire day off they would

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go back to Wilmington they would have a

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private day at the cemetery family only

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no business events every year so he

549
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,039
honored that memory I think that was

550
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:04,980
pretty important to to you know I really

551
00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:07,380
I talked about that in the book too so

552
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,760
it was something that really was

553
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,320
important to him through his life and he

554
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:12,179
honored that I I appreciated that about

555
00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:13,020
him

556
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:15,659
Jill came about uh I think five years

557
00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:17,340
after the accident they met now there

558
00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:19,380
was just some book that came out this

559
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,760
summer that had this whole different

560
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,679
narrative about where they met and how

561
00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:24,240
they met and you know it was the ex

562
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,000
Jill's ex-husband that wrote it so that

563
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,799
was very strange to me to read that

564
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,360
that's a whole different turn on the

565
00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:32,640
story is he saying that she was she

566
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:36,120
married at the time that she met Joe

567
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:38,220
yes right she was married to this guy

568
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:40,740
this guy ran a famous uh rock and roll

569
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:43,740
nightclub in um I think New Jersey

570
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:48,360
Asbury Park The Stone Pony and uh so you

571
00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:49,799
know he had this sort of high profile

572
00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:52,620
lifestyle and she got wrapped up into

573
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:55,140
politics and really fell for Joe Joe's

574
00:22:00,049 --> 00:21:58,020
story on it was always that he had met

575
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,059
her he was walking through a an airport

576
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,919
or a train station and saw this

577
00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:03,720
beautiful woman in this poster on the

578
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,820
wall he asked his brother who is that

579
00:22:10,909 --> 00:22:07,919
his brother set him up on a blind date

580
00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:10,919
the date went well he wound up asking

581
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,559
her her to marry him five times before

582
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,120
she said yes

583
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:17,340
and you know the rest is history they

584
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:18,780
eventually he said she fell in love with

585
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:21,179
the boys but he but but these dates that

586
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:23,460
he went on with her was while she was

587
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:26,940
married no this is his story so the the

588
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:30,120
you know the Jill is by this time in his

589
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,000
in his version and her version they were

590
00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:36,480
she was divorced she she had met him on

591
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,820
a blind date so his their version is

592
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:40,740
different than the ex-husband's version

593
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,559
and and what does he say

594
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:46,020
he said that uh they were conducting an

595
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:49,860
affair he thought and uh that it started

596
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,500
um before while they were married and

597
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,440
then uh it kind of it lasted you know

598
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,880
kind of went underground for a couple

599
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,380
years and then he started dating her

600
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:00,480
publicly and then eventually they got

601
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:04,440
married and she had children already

602
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:07,980
no and then she and Joe had how many

603
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:11,220
children uh daughter Ashley just a

604
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:13,140
daughter so so now he has one son one

605
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:16,140
daughter and and they are half siblings

606
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,240
two two sons and a daughter well sorry

607
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,860
unfortunately yeah both Hunter and

608
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:24,720
Ashley yep right

609
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:26,220
um okay just real quick back to the

610
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,659
accident though I just wanted to button

611
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:29,820
up something so

612
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,520
what what is it that the family of the

613
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,860
truck driver was saying when they wanted

614
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,020
Joe to stop telling a certain story what

615
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,080
was the point there so what happened was

616
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,520
um and I know this just from sort of

617
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:43,380
reading it on you know news reports on

618
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:44,760
the internet but

619
00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:46,860
after the immediate in the immediate

620
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,620
aftermath of the accident everybody just

621
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,299
sort of went their separate ways Joe

622
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:53,159
dealt with his grief the truck driver

623
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:55,500
wasn't charged there was no charges he

624
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:57,720
was never convicted of anything

625
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,440
years later like in the 90s after the

626
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:04,080
truck drivers passed away Joe starts

627
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,820
putting out public statements that the

628
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,340
truck driver was drunk when he ran into

629
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,919
my family and the truck driver's family

630
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,960
takes issue with that and has to go to

631
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,700
the point first they ask him to stop

632
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,799
then they they had to go to the point of

633
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:18,000
suing him

634
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,520
you know threatened to sue him for libel

635
00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:22,320
if he didn't stop and finally he stopped

636
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,419
so that's the ugly that's the ugly side

637
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,400
of Joe he's got he's got an ugly side

638
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,320
where he can go and be ugly with people

639
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,720
well I'm well I'm guessing he was trying

640
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,640
to use that for some political Advantage

641
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,700
because it's always more sympathetic it

642
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,500
seems that if you're hit by a drunk

643
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:39,840
driver and I don't know that would be my

644
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,840
little Theory there right I mean bottom

645
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,360
line do you happen to know was it very

646
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:47,279
clear who was at fault that it clearly

647
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,140
was the truck driver's fault I don't

648
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:53,870
um okay what about since you've dealt

649
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:55,140
with them so much you know the the

650
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,679
famous Joe Biden temper what did you

651
00:25:01,970 --> 00:25:00,600
tell us about uh what you learned about

652
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,980
his temper and spending so much time

653
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:02,880
with him

654
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:06,120
listen you know it's it's funny I I've

655
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:07,980
heard his staff talk about his temper

656
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,620
pretty bad he treats he was pretty rough

657
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,260
on staff and there are there at there

658
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:15,120
are other members of the staff who

659
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,840
are just amazingly loyal to him I'm not

660
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,600
sure why certain members of the staff

661
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,520
got roughed up and others were

662
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:25,380
Untouchable I don't know how that worked

663
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,520
in his office

664
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:28,320
I do know he used to talk about his

665
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,559
temper a lot and uh one time he had this

666
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,840
weird story where when he was a kid

667
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:35,159
he

668
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,620
boy who had done something really mean

669
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,200
to her in school and Joe goes to the

670
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,299
donut shop after church and sees the boy

671
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,159
standing in the donut shop with his

672
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:53,039
family and he smashes the kid into the

673
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,799
donut shop case and breaks the glass in

674
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:58,200
the donut shop donut case in front of

675
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:00,539
this kid's family because he was mean to

676
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,240
his sister I mean he was just a bizarre

677
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,880
story for a guy at this point of his

678
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,340
career as a vice president as going back

679
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,980
in his childhood and talks about this

680
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:13,260
anger issue that he has and I only heard

681
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,779
that story once but it was so bizarre I

682
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,640
remembered it you know so that's a story

683
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,679
it's in a transcript somewhere somewhere

684
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:21,360
in one of those transcripts you know he

685
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,860
would go on these sort of diatribes

686
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,659
where he would get on this memory lane

687
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:27,000
in front of certain audiences and the

688
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:28,620
stuff would just come out

689
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:31,380
yeah well you know we we've seen some of

690
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,000
it firsthand at some of these press

691
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:35,580
conferences that he did or town halls

692
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:38,940
right where he out of abruptly calls the

693
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:41,640
woman a dog-faced pony whatever the heck

694
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:44,100
he says right did you did you hear a lot

695
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:45,900
of that in

696
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,659
all the transcripts or that you created

697
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,940
every once in a while if someone was in

698
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:52,620
the office so you got to understand this

699
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,520
is the Obama Years everybody adored Joe

700
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,500
Biden and Barack Obama in the audience

701
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:01,020
whether it was the press or the

702
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:03,299
attendees so there was a lot of

703
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,620
contention every once in a while

704
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,000
there'll be a kind of a contentious

705
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,580
person and Joe would say oh tough guy

706
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,740
what you know it was just sort of go at

707
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:13,020
him or he would he would see somebody

708
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:14,520
sort of scowling at him and say hey

709
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,200
tough guy what are you scowling at you

710
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,480
know he sort of called the guy out or

711
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:20,760
woman you know at the edge of the stage

712
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:23,159
if they were you know just sort of but

713
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,120
very rarely so you know

714
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,460
um he does seem to though have pretty

715
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:31,740
thin skin right when he when somebody

716
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,200
does kind of come at him with with a

717
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,880
tough question I mean we've seen we seem

718
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:37,740
to have seen that many times

719
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,220
you know yes and no

720
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,039
um he come he sort of sets up this

721
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,559
Bluster and then he kind of Bluffs back

722
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,659
at the person but to me I wouldn't say

723
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:51,600
it's uh a thin skin I mean you know he

724
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:53,700
took some I mean I'm standing there and

725
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,279
watching him get completely publicly

726
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,860
humiliated by Vladimir Putin and he

727
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,299
rolled around and just did exactly what

728
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,100
Vladimir Putin wanted so you know it was

729
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:05,039
a tough skin or was it being you know uh

730
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,779
manipulated I don't know I you know

731
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,640
there's a there's a judgment call there

732
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:10,740
for somebody that's and what about that

733
00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:14,700
phrase lying dog face pony boy or

734
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:15,380
whatever

735
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,419
yeah pony soldier did you hear him use

736
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,159
that many times

737
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:22,559
or is that a new thing in the past year

738
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,220
I might have heard that once or twice it

739
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:28,980
didn't surprise me when he said it

740
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,779
um you know he had sort of these old

741
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,039
school

742
00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:34,380
phrases that he would use that might I

743
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:36,299
might have heard that before but you

744
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:38,100
know not not specifically to somebody

745
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,020
like that you know it's

746
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:42,000
kind of demeaning to this person that's

747
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:43,620
just standing there talking to him about

748
00:28:47,389 --> 00:28:46,020
her that was weird so we'll get into

749
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,399
some of the details I know that you've

750
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:49,200
talked about in Prior speeches or in in

751
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:50,760
the book so one of them you mentioned

752
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,940
was was the the Biden speech never heard

753
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:56,399
what what is that all about

754
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,539
so Joe Biden in 2011 I mean he gave what

755
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,340
I thought was the best White House

756
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:03,840
speech I've ever heard

757
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,559
in uh to in Delaware they have something

758
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:10,080
called Constitution Day so he went up to

759
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,059
the University of Delaware and he gave

760
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,880
the speech uh in honor of Constitution

761
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,760
Day at his alma mater small group all

762
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,440
Delaware mostly friends but there were

763
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,840
some Republicans in the audience and it

764
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,640
was written speech but he really ripped

765
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,740
off of it in a lot of places

766
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,840
I thought it was probably one of the

767
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:29,460
best speeches I learned so much about

768
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,260
the Constitution there you know he used

769
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:33,179
to be a constitutional Professor that's

770
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:34,740
an interesting fact about that White

771
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,140
House both he and Barack Obama were

772
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,539
constitutional professors Joe taught a

773
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:42,059
constitutional course at a small College

774
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,860
in Delaware so he knew what he was

775
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:46,080
talking about and so he gets into the

776
00:29:50,169 --> 00:29:49,080
speech and he starts talking about

777
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:50,179
um

778
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:53,159
elements of eavesdropping and how

779
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,100
government surveillance is a really bad

780
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,980
thing well I mean basically that's he

781
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:01,260
basically foreshadowed what his

782
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,539
government did to Donald Trump's

783
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,700
campaign that he's dropped on his

784
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,440
campaign he made it sound like a

785
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,539
horrific thing the the timing of the

786
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:12,480
speech was to talk about the Tea Party

787
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:14,940
Movement he was trying to say look you

788
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,620
know we've got to work together we've

789
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:18,960
always been this this uh country that

790
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,899
comes to compromise but we have and and

791
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,820
so that was the kind of the element of a

792
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,700
speech but by the end of speech he'd

793
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,260
gone beyond compromise he was talking

794
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:30,240
about you know

795
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,500
um there's the the this speech was given

796
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,260
the actions that were taking place then

797
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,480
and there in the Democratic party that's

798
00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:41,039
when Occupy Wall Street moved into

799
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,500
zukati park the very next day and from

800
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,480
then on what I heard in the white house

801
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,480
out of Barack Obama mostly not sometimes

802
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,700
Joe Biden we don't need any more

803
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:52,200
millionaires and billionaires they were

804
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,640
always lambasting Millionaires and

805
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,679
billionaires you know they started to

806
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:57,360
make the Republican Party The Party of

807
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,919
millionaires and billionaires and look

808
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,779
where that got him you know they got him

809
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:02,159
to the

810
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:05,700
the heir of Donald Trump yeah

811
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,000
okay uh tell us the Putin story because

812
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,580
for this story you were actually there

813
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:13,140
in the room

814
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:14,940
oh and one other thing that was

815
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,340
interesting about that speech um

816
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,140
uh the greatest speech you never heard

817
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:21,179
so he goes into the speech and he's

818
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:22,919
digging up all this stuff from his past

819
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,559
about all these segregationists you know

820
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,539
I worked with these guys and he named

821
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:29,640
them in the speech so this is the guy

822
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:30,659
who

823
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:33,960
after uh over the past year he had to

824
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,380
apologize over and over for having

825
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:38,760
talked you know nicely about these

826
00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:40,679
segregationists but that's what he did

827
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,779
in the speech and so what I talked about

828
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,360
was the point of the chapter was look

829
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,700
Joe Biden gave this speech in 2011 it

830
00:31:52,009 --> 00:31:49,679
was a great speech if he gave that to

831
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,019
his Democratic party now they would

832
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,140
refuse to vote for him so he changed

833
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,720
basically changed his philosophy about

834
00:32:01,009 --> 00:31:59,640
you know working along with people

835
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,019
getting along with people whether

836
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:03,120
they're segregationists or not you got

837
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,500
to work together in the Senate he was

838
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:06,120
talking about you know I got you so the

839
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,260
point of that because yeah you do hear a

840
00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:08,700
lot about that so it's a good thing to

841
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,700
get clarified so

842
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,140
this was his way of saying that hey you

843
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:14,640
got to work with everybody it's it's

844
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,980
Reaching Across the aisle it's working

845
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,200
with Republicans Etc so his point was

846
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:21,779
and I even worked with segregationists

847
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,299
in his own party you know and there were

848
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:26,039
a lot of them you know I mean he names

849
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:28,140
James o Eastland and he would always

850
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:30,899
talk about that guy so it's not he's

851
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,279
getting lambastic because then this

852
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,799
cancel culture you're not allowed to

853
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,600
have any interaction with anybody who

854
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:39,360
said an ill thing about uh anybody who

855
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,679
happens to have black skin or whatever

856
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,320
right so right really almost it seems

857
00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:45,600
like we should be on Joe's side on this

858
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:48,179
one that hey he's the fact that he

859
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:49,799
pointed out segregation is he's pointing

860
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,000
out because I don't agree with

861
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,220
segregationists I so disagree with them

862
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,620
that I'm using them though to to

863
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,240
highlight the fact that

864
00:33:01,549 --> 00:33:00,000
I still was willing to work with them as

865
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:01,559
much as I disagreed with them because

866
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,700
you have to work together right now yeah

867
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,340
I'm sorry yeah that Democrat you know in

868
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,559
that era at that time his Democratic

869
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,140
party could tolerate that speech they

870
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,179
are the party of intolerance now and

871
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,039
they can't tolerate him making that same

872
00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:19,200
speech now and that was important so

873
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:21,500
you're saying he he has he has actually

874
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,600
apologized for that speech now yeah he's

875
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,760
changed completely his you know the way

876
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,559
he presents how he worked with

877
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:31,260
segregationists his past and you know

878
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,779
how he would deal with you know uh

879
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,760
people like that he just sort of it

880
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,440
basically he didn't have to explain

881
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,940
himself he spent the whole summer in his

882
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:40,740
basement no one asked him these things

883
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,039
now now people have actually claimed

884
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:46,880
that Biden has his own

885
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,000
racist in quotes past

886
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:53,519
is is this is that there evidence of it

887
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,140
or is there other things that he did

888
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,019
that you know I I for instance goes

889
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,519
Kamala Harris

890
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,880
that said that Biden you know opposed or

891
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,740
was in favor of bussing

892
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,140
yeah she was talking about that and she

893
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,639
was talking about this speech you know

894
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,560
this this Association he had with these

895
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:12,720
segregations early in his career okay

896
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,339
and well I think that's that that's

897
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,679
nonsense then in my opinion uh and then

898
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:18,839
the other issue is being for or against

899
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:24,480
bussing and um I'm not sure that uh a

900
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,540
racist

901
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,280
there's As Trump says good people on

902
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:31,200
both sides of the issue of bussing right

903
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:32,700
as to whether busing is a good thing or

904
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,700
not a good thing you know I mean what

905
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:37,320
I've I wrote two books so the first book

906
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,820
I talk about racism in the White House

907
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,919
what I saw as a white astronographer of

908
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:43,020
racism in the White House and what I say

909
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,260
is every president who ever gets elected

910
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:47,599
to the White House

911
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:50,339
manipulates racism in America to get

912
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,060
there whether they do it to highlight it

913
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:56,879
for their whatever voting group you you

914
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,680
don't get to be elected president in

915
00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:00,359
America if you don't know how to

916
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,280
manipulate racism

917
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:04,619
so there the racism is a part of

918
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,160
politics and is he a racist is Joe Biden

919
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,040
racist I wouldn't say that does he have

920
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:13,560
a patronizing attitude about race to

921
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,380
some people I would say that

922
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,660
um that came across to me as sort of how

923
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,119
he handled Barack Obama early on in

924
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:24,560
their Association so you know that

925
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,420
people it depends what your what Your

926
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:29,220
definition of racism is Right some

927
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:30,780
people would take issue with Joe Biden

928
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,760
for that patronizing some people would

929
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:35,339
it's it's really down to that and that's

930
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:36,660
kind of how the whole thing with Trump

931
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,680
is they've over over uh defined him as a

932
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,180
racist to the point where it's kind of

933
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:44,760
lost its potency and now you've got well

934
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,960
these days if you don't support

935
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,280
everything that black lives matter

936
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,560
stands for you're a racist so that's the

937
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:51,540
new definition of a of a racist in

938
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:53,180
America

939
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:56,339
ridiculous the term has just lost all of

940
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:00,180
its import but yeah that reminds me that

941
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:00,960
um

942
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,560
uh that Biden has gotten in trouble and

943
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:06,240
I think it is patronizing when he says

944
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,760
that uh oh hey man you're a black man

945
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,140
hey you ain't black unless you're

946
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,660
sporting me right right right all blacks

947
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,460
have to think alike and he's telling

948
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,320
them what they have to think so right

949
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:18,420
that

950
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:24,660
than right lumping all people in a

951
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,980
certain race but you know what it really

952
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:27,480
is I mean another way putting it is

953
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,220
stereotyping and you know these days

954
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:31,140
people like I said they've just lost all

955
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,460
track of the meaning of a word

956
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:35,460
stereotyping versus being racist are two

957
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:36,839
totally different things simply because

958
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,960
you stereotype of race I don't believe

959
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,000
in my opinion that it's that it's racist

960
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,339
people stereotype all the time it

961
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,839
doesn't mean it's always a good thing to

962
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,180
stereotype you know stereotyping can be

963
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,579
smart in certain circumstances and not

964
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:52,619
good in other circumstances but it's not

965
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,859
inherently bad whereas racism in my is

966
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,260
obviously inherently bad

967
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,020
yeah and you know the the results of the

968
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,740
election bear out the fact that there's

969
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,180
a lot of people in America who don't

970
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,060
think Donald Trump is a racist yeah and

971
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:10,859
nobody what I like to point is nobody

972
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,180
thought he was a racist before he got

973
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,520
elected I never I never heard Donald

974
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,980
Trump being as big of a high profile

975
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:19,859
person as he was I never accused heard

976
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,720
him accused of being a racist until now

977
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,540
actually I just noticed Michelle Obama

978
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,160
was making some statement just in the

979
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,680
past couple days where she called his

980
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,160
attacks on Barack racist attacks because

981
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,599
right the old you know the birth

982
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,940
certificate thing right and that's and

983
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,260
that's what I was talking about that's

984
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:40,260
the manipulation of race so you know you

985
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,540
can look at that it's politics is a

986
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,940
tough tough business it's not Tilly wins

987
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,980
you know you gotta have broad shoulders

988
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,260
so Barack Obama comes in and they start

989
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,240
to hack you know attacking him on his

990
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,040
birth certificate and all this it's just

991
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:55,380
politics but they turn it into all this

992
00:38:02,770 --> 00:37:58,700
racism it's racism they really destroyed

993
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:02,780
the fragile relationship between

994
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:06,720
Democrat uh party constituencies with

995
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:07,640
their

996
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,339
trumpeting of the racist cause over all

997
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:13,020
else they put it out in front of

998
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:14,220
everything they put it out in front of

999
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,780
Economic Development and so many other

1000
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,940
things and and that's where the that's

1001
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:20,339
where Donald Trump walked in yeah well

1002
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:21,900
they think they're being smart as far as

1003
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,900
how they use race to divide America I

1004
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,480
think it's primarily the anarchists and

1005
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:29,820
revolutionaries that are want to divide

1006
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:33,480
US based on race and yeah and the

1007
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,740
Democrats are just kind of going along

1008
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,359
with it because they're in their party

1009
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,280
and so nobody likes to criticize people

1010
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,599
in their own party but you're starting

1011
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:40,800
to hear more and more where they're

1012
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,839
realizing guys that's not the direction

1013
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:45,599
our party should be headed in this

1014
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:48,359
recent election tends to have been a a

1015
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,859
little bit of a lesson to them about

1016
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,560
that right that trying to divide us on a

1017
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,420
race is not a good idea

1018
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:56,640
okay what about the Putin story

1019
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,339
so I'm traveling overseas with Joe Biden

1020
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:02,640
and the first trip we took was to Russia

1021
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:04,859
this is a big thing for Joe Biden and

1022
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,040
it's interesting I uh with Obama's

1023
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,680
Memoir just coming out recently he kind

1024
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,240
of talked about this meeting he had with

1025
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:15,119
with Putin that went 45 minutes well on

1026
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:17,579
the plane over the people in Biden's uh

1027
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:20,099
press office were telling me look we got

1028
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:21,119
to go in and we're going to meet with

1029
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,980
Putin and Putin just reamed Obama inside

1030
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,720
out in this meeting he had with him he

1031
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,060
couldn't get a word in edgewise so if

1032
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,859
this is a big deal for Joe Biden to go

1033
00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:33,720
in there and prove remember I said he

1034
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,579
was patronizing at the beginning of the

1035
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:39,119
of the uh Administration to prove how

1036
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:42,599
what an old experienced handy is so he

1037
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:45,000
goes in there with Putin and Putin

1038
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,900
saw him coming from a mile away just to

1039
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,980
set the tone I want to make sure

1040
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,680
everything's clear here so were you with

1041
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,260
him for the meeting or you heard the

1042
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,599
meeting or saw the meeting afterwards

1043
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,640
so the meeting takes place in Moscow

1044
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,040
there's a gigantic government building

1045
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,319
there called White well White House of

1046
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:06,960
Moscow it's basically the building that

1047
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,380
um they you know the tanks uh were

1048
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,680
blowing up the with the tanks in um

1049
00:40:17,950 --> 00:40:15,780
before Putin got in there who was a guy

1050
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,960
the big white-haired guy yeah anyway

1051
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:20,520
Yeltsin yeah Yeltsin blew that thing up

1052
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:22,200
with tanks to kill the other guys you

1053
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,119
know it was opposition parties so that's

1054
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:27,240
the White House in Moscow so we go into

1055
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,780
this the the at the time Putin was the

1056
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,400
Prime Minister not the president the

1057
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:34,880
Prime Minister sort of a second command

1058
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,780
and you know uh was president president

1059
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:41,880
so you know Putin was sort of this was

1060
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,380
kind of a courtesy call but everybody

1061
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:45,180
knew put was really still calling shots

1062
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:48,180
we go in we go into this big white house

1063
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,339
building this big blah you know Federal

1064
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:53,099
I mean uh Soviet architecture really

1065
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,060
dull

1066
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,579
and they had a meeting uh like a grip

1067
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:58,319
and grin they called in in Putin's

1068
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:00,780
office and then there was this long this

1069
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:02,760
sort of uh

1070
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,339
conference table set up and one side was

1071
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,980
American the other side was Putin and as

1072
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,540
me a member of the White House Press

1073
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,000
group we walked in to this this room

1074
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,920
there was a whole bunch of local press

1075
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:16,160
up in the in a corner of the room

1076
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:19,560
TV cameras video cameras still photocop

1077
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,960
photographs and they had TV lights they

1078
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:24,240
had retractable lights so we walked in

1079
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,560
and we were sort of in their shot so we

1080
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,000
had to go back and flatten up against

1081
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,400
the wall so I was sitting about I was

1082
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:31,200
standing with my recorder running about

1083
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,260
five five feet behind Putin as he's

1084
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,660
standing there talking to Biden there's

1085
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,280
a there's it's right he's speaking

1086
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,339
Russian there's a um interpreter Biden's

1087
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:42,720
standing sitting right across the table

1088
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:45,780
from him I'm recording this and Putin

1089
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,460
and I put the whole transcript of the

1090
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:50,040
event in the book but Putin you know

1091
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:54,780
he's a smart guy he's a KGB guy and he

1092
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,240
knew Biden he knew exactly what buttons

1093
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,460
to push on Biden to manipulate him he

1094
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,680
said oh you've been here a lot tell us

1095
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,440
about the last time you came here well

1096
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,720
you know finally finally after Biden

1097
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,280
gets his chance to talk he starts

1098
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,380
talking about oh I've been here a long

1099
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,660
time after a whole bunch of stuff well

1100
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:15,240
bang off go the TV lights

1101
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:17,720
everything shuts down the mics are down

1102
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:20,460
and Putin's just looking I buy and go

1103
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:21,900
like and Biden's looking around the room

1104
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,680
like what's going on Never Say Hey I

1105
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:27,359
wasn't done talking he was right in the

1106
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,619
middle of a sentence

1107
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,780
everybody's hushed out of the room you

1108
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:33,000
know the Russian voices get out get out

1109
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:34,619
get out so we all left and that was it

1110
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,540
that's where the transcript ends Putin

1111
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,220
just shut him down right in the middle I

1112
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,980
mean I've never seen that happen in any

1113
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,960
meeting I've been I've been in hundreds

1114
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,300
of world leader meetings to be clear

1115
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:46,560
you're saying that was the first

1116
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:48,780
opportunity Biden had to speak

1117
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,180
first and only he ever met with Putin so

1118
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,180
so no it wasn't the first so Biden goes

1119
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:56,339
into his remarks he kind of tell oh I'm

1120
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:59,400
I'm here Putin does his remarks in the

1121
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,660
beginning of his remarks he's tell us

1122
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,339
about your time in Moscow I know you've

1123
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,500
been here a lot of times my you know and

1124
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,940
then and then he does sort of little

1125
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,800
gotcha thing where he goes oh and I

1126
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:09,839
think we should change the way visas are

1127
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,540
set up so that Russian uh people can go

1128
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,700
into the United States and into the

1129
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:17,160
European Union visa-free it's like

1130
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:19,859
that's ridiculous who's gonna go for

1131
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,819
that so who suggested that Putin he

1132
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,200
tried to do it it was like it gotcha

1133
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,599
right right you know we want to have

1134
00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:29,700
these access just like EU guys they're

1135
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:31,020
like no way

1136
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:33,180
so Biden started catching because oh you

1137
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:34,740
know that's above my pay grade I'm not

1138
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,800
gonna I'm not gonna talk about that so

1139
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:39,839
then he goes into you know the standard

1140
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:41,700
sort of boilerplate we've been here

1141
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,760
you're doing great blah blah blah and

1142
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,800
and then finally he starts talking about

1143
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:49,920
I've been doing this a long time and as

1144
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:52,680
soon as he says that bang off Go The

1145
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:56,280
Lights shuts down the microphone and you

1146
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,660
know I mean basically he publicly

1147
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,760
humiliated him no one here heard about

1148
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:02,099
it it wasn't reported in the press the

1149
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,720
guy who was the pool reporter from The

1150
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:05,400
Wall Street Journal wrote a pool report

1151
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,800
about it I tried to get the pool report

1152
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,020
from the White House Press Association

1153
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:12,720
this summer and or last summer and when

1154
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,800
I was writing the book and they wouldn't

1155
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:15,960
you know I never heard back from them so

1156
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,079
I know that he talked about it to me he

1157
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,540
said yeah that was Joe Biden got gonged

1158
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,700
in Moscow twice it happened twice he

1159
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,380
basically got publicly humiliated over

1160
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:27,599
there the very next day he goes out and

1161
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:31,640
he writes this op-ed article and um

1162
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:34,200
uh the international Herald Tribune

1163
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:37,020
about Russia should get Ascension to the

1164
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,579
World Trade Organization because that's

1165
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:39,839
what Putin wanted

1166
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:43,380
so that's 2011. by 2012 they've given

1167
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:45,480
Putin what he wants that Russia gets a

1168
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,599
session to the World Trade Organization

1169
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:51,359
there are campaigning for pres the

1170
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,700
presidency in 2012 on the fact that that

1171
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,280
Mitt Romney is an idiot for saying you

1172
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,680
know uh Russia is our most dangerous

1173
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:01,859
geopolitical foe and they you know in

1174
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,480
August they're saying oh well we got

1175
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:05,400
Putin he's on our side well guess what

1176
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:06,900
two years later he wasn't on their side

1177
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,540
so in my mind this whole episode it just

1178
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,240
was like there never was a Russian reset

1179
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,920
that's what Joe Biden was there to

1180
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,319
promote this Russian reset it was all

1181
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:18,780
just a mirage and so much of the Obama

1182
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,060
years was like that they say we did this

1183
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,160
great thing it wasn't like that Joe

1184
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:26,280
Biden would say you know same in that's

1185
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,579
what happened in uh in Iraq the Iraq War

1186
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,160
of drawdown was just a horrific Joe

1187
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:35,280
Biden Mirage time and time again

1188
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:37,319
uh-huh

1189
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,099
interesting so basically as soon as

1190
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,960
Biden wanted to get into any substance

1191
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:44,839
uh Putin was kicking him out the door

1192
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:48,660
yeah he humiliated and Biden didn't

1193
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,420
didn't push back in any way yeah he just

1194
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,040
walked out the room with his tail

1195
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,740
between his legs basically I mean we

1196
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,060
walked out I don't know they kept going

1197
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,280
with the meeting so I don't I'm not sure

1198
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,200
exactly what the frame of events

1199
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,240
afterwards was but people were mad the

1200
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:05,760
white house uh the uh you know VP

1201
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:09,060
staffers were really mad so I I've had a

1202
00:46:12,589 --> 00:46:10,140
theory

1203
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:12,599
that I'm it's not just mine but that oh

1204
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,720
you know Obama never really saw Biden as

1205
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,880
presidential material

1206
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,099
um and hence why he supported Clinton

1207
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:22,859
and not Biden as his potential successor

1208
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,859
and hence why it took him so long to

1209
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,780
finally come out and endorse his own

1210
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,700
former vice president

1211
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:31,560
as among the candidates for president

1212
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:34,680
this year uh it wasn't until way at the

1213
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,079
end that he finally came out and said I

1214
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,400
support Joe Biden when he was the only

1215
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:41,280
man standing so do you have any thoughts

1216
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:43,619
about that things that you observed or

1217
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:47,040
saw as far as Obama believing in Biden

1218
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,420
well

1219
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,700
in my mind and in my book and what I

1220
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,260
write about is

1221
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,619
I think Obama was

1222
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,280
horrified when Biden became the

1223
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,859
candidate this past winter I think that

1224
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,839
was a really bad thing if you look and

1225
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:05,940
and not just Obama but Obama's people

1226
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:09,119
Axelrod Pluff those guys never got along

1227
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,540
with uh Biden and if you look back at

1228
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:14,400
some of the stuff that Axelrod said

1229
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:18,180
about about Biden's candidacy from a

1230
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,520
year ago he was pretty critical of the

1231
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,319
way he was running his candidacy how he

1232
00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:25,020
was uh campaigning the whole thing

1233
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,240
I think it comes out of the barisma

1234
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:29,700
stuff what I found in in my book and

1235
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:31,980
what I write about is that Joe Biden

1236
00:47:36,849 --> 00:47:34,500
committed malfeasance in office I think

1237
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:36,859
there was an important meeting in April

1238
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:41,180
2014 by Obama and his Brain Trust

1239
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,240
Axelrod ploff Messina without Joe Biden

1240
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,559
there because they were really worried

1241
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,240
about what Joe Biden is doing is really

1242
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:50,220
stupid at that point in time they would

1243
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,200
have known Hunter Biden had been kicked

1244
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:55,440
out of the Navy Reserve for cocaine use

1245
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,660
he had just done this uh 300 3.5 million

1246
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,880
dollar money transfer that came through

1247
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,460
in February so Obama's Treasury

1248
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:07,020
Department would have told him that one

1249
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,220
of the things you learn in the White

1250
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:10,800
House is how much information those guys

1251
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,220
get on a regular basis it's just flooded

1252
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:16,800
in there stuff doesn't get past them so

1253
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,180
they would have known that about their

1254
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:20,960
their vice president

1255
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,700
yeah so you make a few assertions and I

1256
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,160
want to kind of um test them to find out

1257
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,440
what you're basing them on so you make

1258
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:31,920
an assertion that Biden Joe Biden was

1259
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,859
instrumental in getting his son on the

1260
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,200
Verismo board that it was the former

1261
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,180
president of Poland

1262
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:41,760
who was also on the board and a friend

1263
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:43,980
of Biden's that helped get Hunter onto

1264
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:48,240
the board and that subsequently you

1265
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:49,740
believe there was a meeting that

1266
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,160
involved Obama and Axelrod Etc where

1267
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
they discussed their concern about

1268
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:58,800
Joe Biden using influence to get his son

1269
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,619
on the board right correct correct so so

1270
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,559
let's start with what is your basis of

1271
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:06,780
knowing that Biden had this close

1272
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,660
relationship with the Polish former post

1273
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,040
president that he was on the board and

1274
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:13,980
that that's how Hunter got on the board

1275
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,500
so the story uh

1276
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:19,200
January 2014.

1277
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:23,520
Alexander quasniewski is a well-regarded

1278
00:49:27,049 --> 00:49:25,140
um ex-president of Poland in the

1279
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,059
European circles he's an old friend Joe

1280
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:29,520
bidens they work together when Joe Biden

1281
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:30,660
was the

1282
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,940
um uh

1283
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:34,200
chairman of the Foreign Relations

1284
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:35,880
Committee they worked together on

1285
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,300
getting Poland pulled into NATO the NATO

1286
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,280
enlargement and included Poland in the

1287
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,280
early 2000s so they were old buddies out

1288
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,800
of that question UC becomes a guest

1289
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,200
lecturer at Georgetown University Hunter

1290
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:52,020
Biden went to Georgetown and and Joe was

1291
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,300
a big Georgetown supporter so they would

1292
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:56,579
have crossed paths in DC and stuff like

1293
00:50:01,930 --> 00:49:59,339
that they were personal friends Joe

1294
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:01,940
Biden talked about that

1295
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,420
in uh 2019 in July there was an article

1296
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,300
written about Hunter Biden's cocaine

1297
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,880
habits and his cruddy lifestyle in the

1298
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,859
New Yorker by a guy named Adam antis

1299
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,260
Adam basically got a half confession out

1300
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:19,440
of Hunter Biden in that article Hunter

1301
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,240
Biden just uh exclaimed that

1302
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:26,940
um Alexander kozniski was the guy that

1303
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:29,339
recruited him to the berezma board in

1304
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:31,140
early 2014.

1305
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:34,020
Devin Archer said Alexander quasanisi

1306
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:35,640
was a guy that recruited him to board in

1307
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,300
early 2014. after having met with uh the

1308
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,280
head of pretty small Holdings which is a

1309
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,309
Joe Biden went to Poland in March 2014.

1310
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,780
and as he went there he was talking

1311
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,119
about

1312
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:55,559
Ukrainian natural gas supporting the

1313
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:57,660
Ukrainian natural gas industry that's

1314
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,300
what's in the preliminary uh indication

1315
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,920
of the reason first trip I'm going to

1316
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,020
Poland we're going to reinforce Poland

1317
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,900
tell them you know as Putin has invaded

1318
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,940
Ukraine we're not going to let him

1319
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,680
invade you Poland I'm not going to let

1320
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:12,780
him invade Lithuanian we we were on that

1321
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,760
trip I was on that plane we went to

1322
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,520
Poland and went to Lithuania I guarantee

1323
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,640
as someone who knows Joe Biden he knew

1324
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,319
his friend was on the board of barisma

1325
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,839
he knew his and he was going to Poland

1326
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:26,220
to talk about you know supporting

1327
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:28,500
Ukrainian uh natural gas industry he

1328
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,420
would have called him or met him on the

1329
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:33,119
ground about let me stop you there why

1330
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:34,680
is the vice president of the United

1331
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:37,380
States talking about natural gas in

1332
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:39,720
Ukraine what's the geopolitical

1333
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,300
significance of that

1334
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,760
Joe Biden in 2009 when he first became

1335
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:47,400
President was named he went to Ukraine

1336
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,760
summer trip and after that he came back

1337
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,680
and became the head of the White House

1338
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:55,079
working group on Ukrainian energy

1339
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,380
security because at the time Russia was

1340
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,200
holding Ukraine's pipeline transfers

1341
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:04,440
hostage they basically were like

1342
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,460
um leveraging Ukraine's economy by

1343
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:10,079
shutting down their end of the pipeline

1344
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,359
Ukraine had this huge natural gas

1345
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,920
pipelines and that's what Russia was

1346
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:16,140
Putin was doing it so it was kind of a

1347
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:17,520
it was an International Security

1348
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,579
development that Joe Biden was aware of

1349
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:22,920
as Ukraine fights for their independence

1350
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:25,619
in 2014 and gets that Independence and

1351
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:27,660
Joe Biden is in on helping them get that

1352
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:31,319
Independence that's February 2014. then

1353
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,500
Putin invades in March 2014. the next

1354
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:36,480
thing that Joe Biden does is he goes to

1355
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,780
Poland and he's talking about natural

1356
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,540
gas security for Ukraine because that's

1357
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,920
something that's always been sort of

1358
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:45,420
bubbling on the pot in the back of the

1359
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,440
stove

1360
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:49,920
do you think I think do you think like I

1361
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:53,220
audience I invite my Audi readers to

1362
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,800
conceive Joe Biden went over there he

1363
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:58,140
talked to quasigniewski as part of this

1364
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,980
trip

1365
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:01,440
said I'll be helping Ukraine I'll be

1366
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,180
helping Barista Holdings you're on their

1367
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,640
board I want I want Hunter on that board

1368
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:07,800
too quid pro quo

1369
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,020
he comes back from that trip he starts

1370
00:53:14,049 --> 00:53:12,420
setting up a trip to Ukraine taking a

1371
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:14,059
whole bunch of American Energy security

1372
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:19,020
uh assistance and a billion dollars in a

1373
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:21,540
um uh loan guarantee for the IMF a

1374
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:23,099
billion dollars and who knows what

1375
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:24,180
happens with a billion dollars in

1376
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,619
Ukraine

1377
00:53:30,849 --> 00:53:28,079
as he's doing that trip there are

1378
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:30,859
meetings in the White House April 15

1379
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,680
2014 in the afternoon Obama meets with

1380
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,920
Axelrod ploff and Messina it's in the

1381
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:39,839
White House visitor logs I literally

1382
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,500
stumbled across it I was looking for uh

1383
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:46,020
this you you were talking about that guy

1384
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,680
um

1385
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,020
uh who wrote the book profiles and

1386
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,400
Corruption

1387
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:52,980
um Peter Schweitzer Peter Schweitzer so

1388
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:55,980
he had this meeting that that uh Biden

1389
00:54:04,130 --> 00:53:59,760
had with Devin archer in his office on

1390
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:04,140
uh April 16 2014. so I was looking over

1391
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,020
well what's what's going on in April 16

1392
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,760
2014. I found a meeting in the White

1393
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,040
House Logs with Devin Archer then I

1394
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,559
looked at well I you know what else was

1395
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,500
going on in on April 16th and I went to

1396
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:19,200
the very I I uh did a search for the

1397
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:22,440
first entry of the um White House

1398
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,700
visitor logs it's not an Excel

1399
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:25,920
spreadsheet and I searched by the date

1400
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,380
the first name that was on the day that

1401
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,480
day was David Axelrod and I looked

1402
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:33,359
across the row and I said it said VPR it

1403
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,380
had it didn't have a lot of other

1404
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:37,020
information it had his name it had VPR

1405
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,500
and it had breakfast VPR I know means

1406
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,900
vice president's residence that sent

1407
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,640
alarm bells ringing for me because

1408
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,440
there's no way David Oxford wants to

1409
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,760
hang out with Joe Biden for breakfast

1410
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,980
they don't like each other there's a lot

1411
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:51,780
of tension between the two over the

1412
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:53,700
years as I said Joe Biden was

1413
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,520
patronizing to Obama early in the

1414
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:58,619
administration David Axelrod was

1415
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:00,900
patronizing right back back to Joe Biden

1416
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:03,000
and Hunter Biden and they knew Hunter

1417
00:55:07,789 --> 00:55:05,579
Biden was a was a train wreck so they

1418
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,799
have this meeting after the meeting

1419
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,559
David axrod has breakfast first thing in

1420
00:55:15,289 --> 00:55:12,720
the morning with Joe Biden one on one

1421
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,299
four hours later Joe Biden has a meeting

1422
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:17,280
in his West Wing office with Devin

1423
00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:18,359
Archer

1424
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:20,700
Hunter Biden's business partner

1425
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,099
four days after that he's off to Ukraine

1426
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:25,260
to bring this energy assistance package

1427
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:27,960
and a whole bunch of money a month after

1428
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,099
that Joe Biden goes to Cyprus no one's

1429
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,400
really talking about this trip to Cyprus

1430
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:37,500
sorry when when was Hunter actually put

1431
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:38,460
on the board

1432
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:45,540
uh it's the exact dates on or about

1433
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:49,079
April 18th 2014. so shortly after they

1434
00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:50,460
have these meetings

1435
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:53,339
on or about April 18th the official

1436
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:55,020
Public Announcement of Hunter being on

1437
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:56,579
the board comes out in the middle of May

1438
00:56:02,270 --> 00:55:58,980
a week after that Public Announcement

1439
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,280
Joe Biden is in Cyprus which is where uh

1440
00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:05,220
Barista Holdings is registered that's

1441
00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:07,700
where I believe my college La chesky was

1442
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,619
and I think Joe Biden went there there

1443
00:56:14,569 --> 00:56:12,240
was no press on the trip I didn't go on

1444
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:14,579
that trip I went to Ukraine with Joe I

1445
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:17,099
didn't go to Cyprus and so I think they

1446
00:56:21,289 --> 00:56:19,319
had a nondescript meeting off-site we

1447
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:21,299
don't know what I always say throughout

1448
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:23,460
the book is we nobody's asking these

1449
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:25,140
questions these questions have to be

1450
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:27,480
asked I took all this information to the

1451
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:30,359
FBI on the Monday before the election I

1452
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,740
called up their tip line and said hey

1453
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,660
look you guys got all this stuff about

1454
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,000
this Hunter Biden laptop I know there's

1455
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,640
an open investigation into him for money

1456
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:40,680
laundering this is the information I

1457
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:43,380
have and I told the FBI bing bing bing

1458
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:45,059
bing and I told him some other stuff too

1459
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:47,460
that I didn't put in the book okay so

1460
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:48,839
let's break down some of that so so

1461
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:51,180
obviously a lot of this is speculation

1462
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:53,579
but perhaps you know intelligent

1463
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,740
speculation so you're speculating though

1464
00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:57,960
that in the meeting that did not include

1465
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:01,380
Biden that they were concerned about

1466
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:04,140
Biden's dealings getting so close to

1467
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,940
berezma and having his son on the board

1468
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:08,880
right or Republican and then the next

1469
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:12,480
day the The Log Show and Axelrod and

1470
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:15,240
Biden meeting right were theoretically

1471
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:17,160
very unusual very unusual theoretically

1472
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,599
the results of the day before his

1473
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:19,859
meeting would have been communicated

1474
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:22,859
right it would have been to follow your

1475
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,619
theory a slap on the wrist from Axelrod

1476
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:27,599
to Biden about his son

1477
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:30,660
or no don't do it Joe don't do it Joe

1478
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:33,059
ignored him you know Joe Biden was they

1479
00:57:36,289 --> 00:57:34,680
they were all they could have had either

1480
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:36,299
of those meetings if Joe Biden if they

1481
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:38,280
wanted Joe Biden included in any of

1482
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,720
those meetings with them

1483
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:42,000
it he was in the White House the morning

1484
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,859
of 20 of of the um April 15th he was in

1485
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:48,839
the White House the morning of April

1486
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:52,559
16th so obviously they had a meeting he

1487
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:54,119
could have been as part of their meeting

1488
00:57:59,049 --> 00:57:56,280
group if they wanted him but they wanted

1489
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,059
him not to be in their group okay and so

1490
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:01,440
so now this next part I think is is

1491
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,760
really important because I want to talk

1492
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:03,839
about

1493
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:06,359
ways in which U.S interests were aligned

1494
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:08,819
with purisma but then you've got this

1495
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,720
big fraud investigation or right you

1496
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:14,400
know this prosecutor who's investigating

1497
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,839
barisma so first of all on one hand

1498
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:20,880
berezmont and the U.S our interests were

1499
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,220
aligned we don't want to see Russia come

1500
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,980
in and invade Ukraine or or or or have

1501
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,500
its thumb over Ukraine we want Ukrainian

1502
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,540
Independence

1503
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,880
um and if key to their independence one

1504
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:35,280
of them is energy then having a strong

1505
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,480
barisma is a good thing right so far yes

1506
00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:42,240
correct okay so in that sense you can

1507
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:43,559
look at it through that lens and say oh

1508
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,480
what's the big deal if

1509
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:48,240
the vice president's son is on the board

1510
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,200
of this big gas company that we

1511
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:54,540
wholeheartedly support

1512
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:57,180
um but you know even as I say that I

1513
00:59:01,069 --> 00:58:59,400
don't believe it because even if we

1514
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:01,079
support them that's still a conflict of

1515
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,460
interest because they're going to be

1516
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,680
wanting more U.S Aid and the U.S should

1517
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:06,480
should Aid them there's a proper amount

1518
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:08,040
to Aid them and an improper amount to

1519
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:09,299
Aid them right maybe it makes sense to

1520
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:10,260
give them a billion it doesn't make

1521
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:11,640
sense to give them 10 billion but you

1522
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:13,380
got the vice president's son on the

1523
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,220
board

1524
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:16,799
pushing for and helping them push for

1525
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:19,740
more U.S Aid right yeah the critical

1526
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:22,440
element here is what Joe Biden said Joe

1527
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,559
Biden said I never talked to my son

1528
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:28,859
about his overseas business so there's

1529
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:34,140
basically a lie if if he put his son on

1530
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,540
the board of barisma to me that's Mel

1531
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:38,880
peasants in office he's using his office

1532
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:41,579
to put his son on this board to benefit

1533
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:42,599
him

1534
00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:44,099
because he's going to go over there and

1535
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,500
help out barisma on this program hey

1536
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,900
look quasniewski I'm coming over there I

1537
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:50,880
got all this stuff going on put Hunter

1538
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,579
and Devin Archer on the board well it'll

1539
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,740
work out great for everybody and by the

1540
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,880
way to be clear I wasn't aware of this

1541
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,799
so his partner Devin Archer was also on

1542
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,380
the board correct okay and quick side

1543
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:04,559
question have you ever heard anyone from

1544
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:06,540
the Obama Administration

1545
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,740
say something critical publicly or you

1546
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,020
know on the record about the fact that

1547
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:15,960
Hunter was on that board yeah

1548
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:19,200
not specifically critical basically they

1549
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:21,420
punted the questions came out of the

1550
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,460
White House Press office that I mean to

1551
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:24,900
the White House briefing room that day

1552
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:27,660
and Josh Aaron said I'm going to refer

1553
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,160
all those questions to the office of the

1554
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,960
vice president and the office of Vice

1555
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,119
President just said Joe Biden doesn't

1556
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,880
have any connection with this company

1557
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,440
and that was it everybody you know the

1558
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,359
Press basically says oh okay great they

1559
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:41,819
just took it for what it was but

1560
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,119
everybody knew it was stinky and am I

1561
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:47,400
correct that barisma got money from the

1562
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:48,660
U.S government

1563
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:50,940
we don't know we it should be looked

1564
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,940
into what was on the aid package was

1565
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:55,859
these Joe Biden did this speech and he

1566
01:00:58,609 --> 01:00:57,540
talked about we're coming over there and

1567
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,619
we're going to support you with

1568
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:01,740
Investments and we've got teams on the

1569
01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:03,720
ground that are helping you with it

1570
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:06,119
sounded like technical information it's

1571
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,240
hard to say nobody's looked into it Joe

1572
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:11,280
Biden said I never talked to my son

1573
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:13,020
about his business and now it's all like

1574
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,260
his son was on this this board to Joe

1575
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,480
Biden do it I think you should I think

1576
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,579
somebody should say and and the thing

1577
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:22,559
about the Cypress trip when that fell in

1578
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,119
place I was like this is really

1579
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,520
suspicious Cyprus is where you know it's

1580
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:27,839
a money laundering capital of the world

1581
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:30,180
what did Joe Biden set up in Cyprus was

1582
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:32,579
it something he set up with uh with

1583
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:34,500
barisma because Joe Biden had a reason

1584
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,559
to go to Cyprus to yeah what was that

1585
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,540
about Cypress unification he that was a

1586
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:41,280
pet project of his and I talked about

1587
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,260
that in the book too but that's again

1588
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:45,660
that's another Joe Biden Mirage we're

1589
01:01:50,109 --> 01:01:47,640
going to unify Cyprus Joe Biden used to

1590
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,119
say if we saw the problems in Cyprus

1591
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:52,920
Cyprus basically is divided it's an

1592
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:55,740
island in the in the Mediterranean half

1593
01:02:02,630 --> 01:01:59,280
Greece half turkey big war back in the

1594
01:02:05,049 --> 01:02:02,640
70s it's divided now he was negotiating

1595
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:05,059
through turkey and Greece for years

1596
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,520
because he had Greek American donors who

1597
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,380
were really adamant they wanted you know

1598
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:12,960
this resolution it would be good for

1599
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,000
them so Joe was always doing it and he

1600
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:17,280
went to Cyprus eventually and on the

1601
01:02:20,450 --> 01:02:18,780
side did he meet with the berezma guys

1602
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,460
we don't know somebody should ask nobody

1603
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,640
asks okay so what do you know about

1604
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,440
corruption at barisma what the

1605
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:28,559
prosecutor was looking into Etc so I was

1606
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,920
on that trip that was uh December 2015.

1607
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:33,780
what happened was

1608
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,260
um I remember Joe Biden went to uh

1609
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,359
Ukraine four times that was my fourth

1610
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:41,400
and final time in Ukraine with him he

1611
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,180
went over again in the fall of 2014. uh

1612
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,460
and you know basically that's when on

1613
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:49,920
the street somebody asked him you know a

1614
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,260
reporter a guy named Justin sink from

1615
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,900
Bloomberg at the time said hey you know

1616
01:03:00,049 --> 01:02:56,640
what about you what about you and Hunter

1617
01:03:01,490 --> 01:03:00,059
in this natural gas uh company and um

1618
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,500
you know Joe Biden looked at him and

1619
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:04,260
said I never talked to my son about his

1620
01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:06,119
business you know but it was about it

1621
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,579
was to me it was a lie but that's what

1622
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:11,460
press wrote they took that as face value

1623
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:16,140
later 2015 the prosecutor general of

1624
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:17,880
Ukraine is looking into barisma

1625
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:18,900
corruption

1626
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:21,420
and it's Ukraine there's so much

1627
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,400
corruption there it's hard to tell who's

1628
01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:26,640
good who's not good there was a uh on

1629
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,680
that trip there was an off the Record

1630
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,020
meeting with the Press people there's

1631
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,480
quite a few press on that trip in a

1632
01:03:37,309 --> 01:03:35,520
restaurant with the Ambassador

1633
01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:37,319
Ambassador Pyatt and he talked to them

1634
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:39,780
about the Ukrainian situation and you

1635
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:42,359
know we've got this corrupt uh there's

1636
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:43,740
corruption here we want to try to weed

1637
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:46,260
it out so the very next day Joe goes

1638
01:03:52,609 --> 01:03:48,839
into the Rada that's their Ukrainian

1639
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:52,619
um sort of their Congress and he does

1640
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,260
this big speech at the conclusion and he

1641
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:56,640
you know he's pretty tough on corruption

1642
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:58,619
Ukraine in the speech at the conclusion

1643
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,940
of the speech he has a meeting with the

1644
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,400
president poroshenko and this guy uh

1645
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,740
yatsenyuk prime minister yatsunnyuk

1646
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,480
those guys come out of this meeting

1647
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:08,160
looking pretty grim

1648
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:10,859
it's I think in that meeting where Joe

1649
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,380
Biden tells them I'm going to be on a

1650
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:14,940
plane in six hours

1651
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:17,579
you guys I've got a million dollars in

1652
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:20,160
uh Aid with me it's not coming to you

1653
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:23,460
unless you fire this guy and

1654
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:26,819
you know then he was fired and so that's

1655
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,000
what uh when Joe was bragging about that

1656
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:31,920
so I didn't know this at the time right

1657
01:04:39,529 --> 01:04:35,520
we we didn't know this in August 2016

1658
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:39,539
Joe Biden described that episode in an

1659
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,099
interview he had with a guy from the

1660
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:42,960
Atlantic magazine so that's where I

1661
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:45,960
first heard it August 2016. there's that

1662
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:48,420
Joe Biden thing he always says you know

1663
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:51,900
I say all that I mean so he's saying it

1664
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:53,940
to this guy sort of bragging about it

1665
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:57,240
and that's what he said on TV later in

1666
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:58,380
front of the Council of Foreign

1667
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:01,260
Relations I son of a [\h__\h] the guy got

1668
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:03,059
fired well that's what Trump heard and

1669
01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:05,579
Trump went after him because he thought

1670
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:07,740
there was corruption there and there was

1671
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:09,780
corruption there and that's when Trump

1672
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:13,140
got impeached yeah and so for me the

1673
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,000
impeachment was over a lot of Joe Biden

1674
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:17,640
lie yeah so there's an extra wrinkle to

1675
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:20,460
that story that I want to cover but on

1676
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:23,940
the surface it sounds incredibly corrupt

1677
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:27,980
that the vice president would dangle Aid

1678
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,619
in front of the ukrainians and say

1679
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,900
saying I'll give it to you provided that

1680
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:35,760
you fire the prosecutor who's going

1681
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:37,980
after the company that my son is on the

1682
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:40,700
board of right right that seems like a

1683
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,859
no-brainer inappropriate hardcore

1684
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:45,660
corruption on the behalf of Joe Biden

1685
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:49,440
however aren't I correct that the extra

1686
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,180
wrinkle to that is

1687
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:53,280
there were some there were other

1688
01:05:57,650 --> 01:05:55,380
countries that wanted this prosecutor

1689
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:57,660
gone that there was U.S interest that

1690
01:06:01,730 --> 01:06:00,839
wanted this prosecutor gone so so Biden

1691
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:01,740
can

1692
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:04,859
uh hide behind or at least state that no

1693
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:07,140
I was doing this on behalf of the US

1694
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,940
government because we didn't like this

1695
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,280
prosecutor for XYZ reason

1696
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:13,440
right and that came out of that that

1697
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:15,000
dinner that Ambassador Pyatt had with

1698
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,680
the Press so that's where that reporting

1699
01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:20,400
came but yes this the it's Ukraine it's

1700
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:21,980
hard to tell who's corrupt and who's not

1701
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,839
so was the guy corrupt maybe he was

1702
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:26,640
maybe he wasn't was he looking in a

1703
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:29,099
bereavement it's still hard to tell he's

1704
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,660
going to ask people about what what was

1705
01:06:34,910 --> 01:06:32,760
the allegation about this prosecutor was

1706
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:34,920
it that he was being too tough on

1707
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:36,660
barisma or that he was being not Tough

1708
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:37,799
Enough

1709
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:39,960
uh I think he was being

1710
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:45,289
the Joe Biden version of the allegation

1711
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:47,640
was he was a corrupt prosecutor who's

1712
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,280
not being tough enough but at the time

1713
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,319
they didn't acknowledge that he was

1714
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,420
looking into barisma that was never

1715
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,880
mentioned by the Biden sign that was

1716
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,039
never mentioned out of the Obama uh

1717
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,200
White House circles that came out later

1718
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:03,420
and that that came out because that's

1719
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:05,460
you know basically the guy's version the

1720
01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:07,740
prosecutor's version and and there's

1721
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:09,480
there's a you know like I said it's

1722
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,920
great there's a lot of questions well

1723
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:12,240
was he looking into it or was he

1724
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:13,980
dragging his feet that's hard to tell

1725
01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:16,500
there's no real clear definitive yes no

1726
01:07:24,529 --> 01:07:20,780
yes no hard to tell so so one story

1727
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:24,539
maybe yeah Biden's story would be that

1728
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:25,799
he wasn't being tough enough I mean what

1729
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:27,180
about these other countries am I right

1730
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,920
that there was other countries that were

1731
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,200
also concerned about this

1732
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:34,319
I don't know about that I don't know but

1733
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:36,180
the but but according to Biden the U.S

1734
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,859
government's position was this guy was

1735
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:39,240
not being Tough Enough

1736
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,900
right and do we know who he was replaced

1737
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,119
by and then what happened with the new

1738
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,799
prosecutor

1739
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,000
um

1740
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:50,640
I don't I I didn't put that in my book

1741
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:52,680
that's not you know

1742
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:55,260
to me this episode of of the corruption

1743
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,480
the Biden barisma story was actually

1744
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,119
kind of small to me the really big stuff

1745
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:02,400
was in the beginning where he's where he

1746
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,700
put his son on the board that's to me

1747
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:07,920
the malfeasance that he committed this

1748
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,720
thing with the prosecutor to me it's

1749
01:08:13,549 --> 01:08:11,760
it's White House gray area you could go

1750
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,559
either way with it and that's basically

1751
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,720
what they're hiding behind I don't know

1752
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:18,120
you know well and it's supposed to avoid

1753
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:20,580
the appearance of conflict of interest

1754
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:24,120
so obviously absolutely anything that

1755
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,199
the U.S does that impacts burisma has

1756
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:29,940
the appearance of a conflict because his

1757
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,060
son is on the board and yeah you're in

1758
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:34,799
the middle of this huge geopolitical

1759
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:38,520
battle between Russia and Ukraine where

1760
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:40,500
Russia is invading Ukraine they're

1761
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:42,839
taking their land there's an ongoing War

1762
01:08:48,169 --> 01:08:45,239
as we speak

1763
01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:48,179
a lot of it has to do with energy

1764
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,420
and Ukraine's Independence is is

1765
01:08:55,610 --> 01:08:53,040
dependent on its independence is

1766
01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:55,620
dependent on having its own energy for

1767
01:09:00,370 --> 01:08:57,779
reason was the primary provider of that

1768
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,380
so this is all this is swirling around

1769
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,359
and you put your son

1770
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:06,239
right on the board of this company I

1771
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,000
mean what a lack of judgment

1772
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,520
correct and quick quick correction

1773
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,040
barisma is not the primary supplier of

1774
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:17,279
natural gas they're the largest private

1775
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:19,380
natural gas company but there's a

1776
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:21,179
nationalized natural gas company that's

1777
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:24,420
bigger I don't know the name of it so

1778
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,380
you know the barisma stuff is

1779
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:30,960
Joe Biden is sitting on top of it he's

1780
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,540
kind of managing it and everybody thinks

1781
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:36,239
you know the allegation is he did this

1782
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,000
to help barisma because he was you know

1783
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:41,699
in their pocket kind of thing

1784
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,500
but we don't know I don't know it should

1785
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:45,600
be looked into it's kind of is being

1786
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:47,100
looked into

1787
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,140
um what happened was I took the I sent

1788
01:09:53,329 --> 01:09:51,600
my book in June to every member of the

1789
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,339
Senate committee that was looking in a

1790
01:09:59,149 --> 01:09:55,620
hunter Biden allegations never heard

1791
01:10:02,570 --> 01:09:59,159
back weirdly about 10 days after I sent

1792
01:10:05,689 --> 01:10:02,580
it to them there was a an arrest in

1793
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,699
Ukraine by uh the Ukrainian authorities

1794
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,640
the rest of these two guys for trying to

1795
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,040
bribe they were government officials who

1796
01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:14,159
were being bribed by barisma six million

1797
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:15,900
dollar bride they had all his big pile

1798
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:17,940
of money on this table and that happened

1799
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:19,739
10 days after I sent my book to the

1800
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:21,300
Senate and it was like this weird thing

1801
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,980
at the in the Washington Post wrote an

1802
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,679
article about it and the very last uh

1803
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:28,800
paragraph the uh prosecutor who

1804
01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:30,900
announced this arrest says this should

1805
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:33,000
put to rest that Hunter Biden and Joe

1806
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:34,560
Biden had nothing to do with this

1807
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,600
episode I was like

1808
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,640
you know what is that why are they

1809
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:41,040
saying that and when did Hunter leave

1810
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:42,360
the board

1811
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,600
so he's and he stayed on the

1812
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,100
anticipation of his dad running for

1813
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,500
office perhaps yeah like I think it was

1814
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,960
the um I think it was the spring of

1815
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,400
2019.

1816
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,560
and what about Devin Archer

1817
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:01,260
I think the same time yeah Devin Archer

1818
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:03,179
uh got himself in some trouble he wound

1819
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:06,719
up being a rep he wound up going to uh

1820
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,719
getting convicted of a uh Securities

1821
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:12,960
fraud pretty severe Securities fraud the

1822
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:15,000
conviction was overturned and it's just

1823
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:17,940
recently reinstated he's about to get uh

1824
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:19,140
sentenced

1825
01:11:24,169 --> 01:11:21,659
and do you believe that Hunter is at

1826
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:24,179
risk of criminal charges being brought

1827
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:26,219
against him

1828
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:29,580
you know that's I'm

1829
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:32,100
I think there has to be a lot looked in

1830
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:35,840
you with Hunter Biden this this laptop

1831
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,420
the uh barisma thing and you know the

1832
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,800
stuff that I have in there about Obama

1833
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:42,840
and those guys knowing it so those guys

1834
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:45,060
knew that Joe Biden had done this I

1835
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:46,980
think that's why they didn't want him to

1836
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:48,900
run for the presidency I think they felt

1837
01:11:53,450 --> 01:11:51,000
like this thing was going to blow up and

1838
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:53,460
the other question is if Obama in a

1839
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,120
boxer rod in uh Pluff and Messina knew

1840
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:59,040
who else in the different Democratic

1841
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,080
party knew about this I mean this could

1842
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,480
go away into the Democratic party and

1843
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:05,760
this is known during the Democratic

1844
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:08,520
party's impeachment of President Trump

1845
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,940
over looking into the corruption that

1846
01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:14,159
Joe Biden may or may not have had with

1847
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,739
barisma and you know to me it's just

1848
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,960
like there's a lot going on there and

1849
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:21,780
people really have to start digging no

1850
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,300
one asked questions the Senate didn't

1851
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:26,460
really ask questions the FBI maybe they

1852
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,620
will who knows last question about

1853
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,960
Hunter and then we'll wrap up so you've

1854
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,880
been on air force two there's a story

1855
01:12:37,130 --> 01:12:34,920
about Hunter Biden being on Air Force 2

1856
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:37,140
with his dad going to China

1857
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:39,239
and coming back with uh one and a half

1858
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,940
billion dollars of commitments to some

1859
01:12:44,689 --> 01:12:43,500
type of a private Equity Fund or

1860
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:44,699
something what do you know about that

1861
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:50,100
well I was on that trip uh China yeah on

1862
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:51,780
the plane with Hunter and his dad

1863
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:53,219
with Hunter and his dad that was

1864
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,320
December 2013. so this is right before

1865
01:13:00,169 --> 01:12:57,600
all this barisma stuff kicks off right

1866
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,179
December 2013 Hunter goes to China

1867
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:02,880
remember at the time Hunter Biden has

1868
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:05,159
been thrown out of the Navy for cocaine

1869
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:07,860
use no one knows about it it's not

1870
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:11,760
public knowledge until October 2014. so

1871
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:15,480
his cocaine problem son gets on his

1872
01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:18,300
plane with him goes to China

1873
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:20,520
it's that's the only time I ever

1874
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,739
traveled Hunter Biden on a foreign trip

1875
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,960
Hunter and his brother would travel with

1876
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,840
their dad on Air Force two regularly to

1877
01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:30,000
go to campaign events they were like his

1878
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:32,100
you know sort of his cheering squad or

1879
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:34,620
something so that wasn't unusual and Joe

1880
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:38,640
would take his uh grandkids and um his

1881
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:40,860
uh daughters-in-law on on the plane

1882
01:13:44,510 --> 01:13:42,300
rides often too

1883
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:44,520
so on that trip Hunter was with his

1884
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:45,840
daughter

1885
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,480
um Finnegan Biden and so you know it was

1886
01:13:51,890 --> 01:13:50,340
kind of like a family trip but it wasn't

1887
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,900
just a family trip and it wasn't

1888
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:54,320
sightseeing it was Hunter over there

1889
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:57,840
scamming on his dad's coattails and

1890
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:59,940
that's what everybody now knows the

1891
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,980
amount the amount of money that guy got

1892
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:05,040
out of that and who it tied him into the

1893
01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:07,739
Chinese Communist party is you know

1894
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,300
that's got to be looked and it was

1895
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:11,219
starting to be looked into that's what

1896
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:12,900
this whole that's what uh Mr Tony

1897
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,420
babalowski came out with he was like hey

1898
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:17,280
this is what they were doing you know

1899
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,320
and so now the FBI is finally looking

1900
01:14:23,090 --> 01:14:21,480
into it they had this laptop for a year

1901
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:23,100
they had a laptop all through the

1902
01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:25,260
impeachment president Trump it's just

1903
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:27,800
you know yeah yeah

1904
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:30,300
who Hunter was rooting for to win

1905
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:33,780
because having Biden as president

1906
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:37,679
keeps the spotlight on Hunter which is

1907
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:39,000
one way of looking at it whereas if

1908
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,980
Trump had won maybe the story would have

1909
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:43,080
would have died but then again he's got

1910
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:45,659
the protection of his father now

1911
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,900
great we'll see I mean I you know I saw

1912
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:50,640
some of the stuff in that uh laptop

1913
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:54,360
Hunter Biden is NASA security risk there

1914
01:14:59,450 --> 01:14:57,600
is no question in my mind that that guy

1915
01:15:03,169 --> 01:14:59,460
shouldn't be anywhere near the White

1916
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,179
House ever again for whatever reason and

1917
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,460
just on that his father shouldn't be in

1918
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:07,739
the white house but his father Joe Biden

1919
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:10,140
is not qualified to be president I don't

1920
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,360
know what he's done with China over the

1921
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,540
years uh exactly as far as the tie-ins

1922
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:17,400
we're going to find out about that I

1923
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,140
know that his association with Xi

1924
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:20,880
Jinping in China was something he

1925
01:15:25,130 --> 01:15:23,400
bragged about incessantly right up until

1926
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:25,140
Donald Trump started getting tough on

1927
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:27,000
China and Joe Biden didn't want to open

1928
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,400
his mouth about China a really big

1929
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,199
connection that Joe Biden made and I

1930
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,360
talk about in my book was he opened

1931
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,000
China up for a lot of Hollywood movie

1932
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,340
Moguls they had this sort of restriction

1933
01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:40,080
on how many movies they could distribute

1934
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:43,380
in China Joe Biden in early 2012

1935
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:46,380
February 2012 put together a deal out

1936
01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:48,420
with Xi Jinping who was vice president

1937
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:51,000
of China then out in Hollywood and it

1938
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:53,219
opened up the Hollywood Market open up

1939
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:55,020
the Chinese market for Hollywood that's

1940
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,760
why Joe Biden got into the presidency

1941
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:58,920
because how Hollywood was backing him

1942
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:02,159
and now Hollywood is complaining about

1943
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:06,900
all the censorship and the cultural

1944
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,900
um guidance they receive from China on

1945
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,040
their movies

1946
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:13,920
I mean that's you know you want to take

1947
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:16,380
over the country take over the culture

1948
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:17,880
thanks Joe

1949
01:16:21,950 --> 01:16:20,219
yeah well it's it's my hope that perhaps

1950
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:21,960
the hunter stuff and so on is going to

1951
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,860
force

1952
01:16:26,689 --> 01:16:25,320
Biden to at least appear tough on China

1953
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,699
and be tougher than he would have been

1954
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,840
otherwise

1955
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:29,640
I don't think Joe Biden gets to be

1956
01:16:32,290 --> 01:16:30,540
president

1957
01:16:34,189 --> 01:16:32,300
don't think he does

1958
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:34,199
well that's the subject for another

1959
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,080
another interview we'll we'll hold that

1960
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:39,719
one uh we're gonna do Joe uh um a favor

1961
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:42,060
and allow it to end on a positive note

1962
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:43,800
because I I know that despite your

1963
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:46,440
criticism of him that that you have

1964
01:16:50,810 --> 01:16:48,120
a lot of positive things to say about

1965
01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:50,820
him as a man yeah

1966
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:54,179
go ahead okay well the last chapter I

1967
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:57,480
said my word is Biden you know Joe

1968
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,320
um

1969
01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:00,719
and people that read the book appreciate

1970
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,219
it for being fair and one of the things

1971
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:04,500
you know my position was I was like a

1972
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:06,300
neutral Observer and I think what's

1973
01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:07,860
really missing in our politics is

1974
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,480
somebody you can sort of stay in the

1975
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:12,239
middle and just see both sides Joe by

1976
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,000
the last line I have of my book is Joe

1977
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:17,040
Biden is a great American he will never

1978
01:17:23,689 --> 01:17:20,880
be president and I say that because he

1979
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,699
did some great things he if it wasn't

1980
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:25,380
for Joe I don't think we would have got

1981
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:29,100
uh the gay marriage the appreciation and

1982
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:30,239
the

1983
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:35,880
legalizing gay marriage Joe Biden did

1984
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,179
that and he was a great dad and

1985
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:41,040
unfortunately you know he went through

1986
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:42,900
this horrible tragedy with his son dying

1987
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:45,480
at the end of his term so that was a

1988
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,300
pretty tough time and you know the uh I

1989
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:50,760
thought when he was in the office he did

1990
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:52,920
a great job with that cancer moonshot

1991
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,780
and I I kind of think you should keep

1992
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,640
doing it the reporting that's come out

1993
01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:58,080
about it recently is that you know he's

1994
01:18:01,610 --> 01:17:59,820
just basically raising all this money

1995
01:18:03,770 --> 01:18:01,620
and spending on staff not giving it away

1996
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,780
to anybody that doesn't surprise me

1997
01:18:08,209 --> 01:18:06,480
unfortunately that's the that's the bad

1998
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,219
side of Joe but Joe does have a good

1999
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:10,320
side and you know trying to fight

2000
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,500
through the bureaucracy around cancer